Congress is gearing up for its first major UAP hearing since July 2023, when David Grusch, David Fravor, and Ryan Graves testified. We now have more details about the November 13 hearing, which appears to finally be set in stone. (Of course, details can change at the last-minute, so follow The Verified Report for the latest updates.)
A week to a couple days before the hearing, you can expect to find a live stream link posted on the GOP Oversight’s YouTube Channel.
The Cyber Subcommittee & National Security Subcommittee Are Holding the Hearing
The House Oversight Committee Hearing is being run by the Cyber Subcommittee and the National Security Subcommittee, D. Dean Johnson shared on X. Nancy Mace, chair
Nancy Mace (R-SC), chair of the Cyber Subcommittee, and Glenn Grothman (R-WI), chair of the National Security Subcommittee, will be chairing the hearing.
The full name of the Cyber Subcommittee is the Cybersecurity, Information Technology, and Government Innovation Subcommittee. Gerald E. Connolly is the ranking member. Some other members of the subcommittee have been outspoken about seeking UFO disclosure, including Tim Burchett, Eric Burlison, Anna Paulina Luna, and Jared Moskowitz.
The National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs Subcommittee’s ranking member is Robert Garcia, who has also been outspoken about the UAP issue in the past. Mace and Moskowitz are also on this subcommittee.
The Witness List Has Not Been Released
The list of witnesses has not been released, in part so that potential witnesses aren’t intimidated out of testifying, Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) told AskaPol.
“We’re trying to get some good witnesses there,” he said. “We don’t want to break them out too early like we did last time and then they get squashed.”
Retired Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet shared on LinkedIn that he was invited to testify, but that’s the only witness name we know so far.
Two Officials Formerly with Bigelow Programs Said They Would Never Testify in Public Hearings Like These
Unfortunately, Dr. Colm A. Kelleher, former AAWSAP program manager, and Dr. James T. Lacatski, former DIA official who pitched researching Skinwalker Ranch to Sen. Harry Reid, both said in an interview with ExoMagazin.TV that they would not be witnesses at a public hearing. (It’s not known if they were asked to be witnesses.) They are the authors of the book “Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.”
The host asked if they might testify since they both know more than what they shared in their book.
Former Intelligence Officers Skeptical About Upcoming UFO Congressional Hearings:
On Nov. 13, 2024, there will be another hearing in U.S. Congress regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and what the government knows about it. Former Rear Admiral @GallaudetTim will be… pic.twitter.com/szjDkCK06p
— Robert Fleischer (@robflei) October 29, 2024
“I personally would not be in favor of testifying,” Kelleher said. “I believe that the … non-disclosure agreements that I signed, both at the corporate level and at the government level, preclude me from doing that.”
He added that he does not believe whistleblower protections would really pan out, and he doesn’t think testifying in public is appropriate.
“And, you know, there’s been a lot of talk in D.C. with respect to the congressional hearings, that ‘protections’ are being offered,” Kelleher said. “The fact is that if you violate a nondisclosure agreement, you are at the mercy of the consequences of violating those agreements, regardless of all of the talk regarding protection of whistleblowers. The next congressional hearing is scheduled currently for November 13, it is being chaired by Nancy Mace, there will be Congressman Tim Burchett and Congressman Anna Paulina Luna, and the usual cast of characters will be there. There are rumors and innuendo flying around Washington D.C. right now regarding which whistleblowers will step up, but I personally don’t believe that it is appropriate for me to go and testify under those circumstances.”
Lacatski agreed with Kelleher.
“I completely agree with what Colm says,” Lacatski said. “For me it would have to be in a compartment, KONA BLUE would have to be reactivated by DHS… I retired in 2016, I would have to have my … clearance reinstated, I would need all these things to occur. As for open testimony the answer is no.”
Lacatski could not see a situation where someone could testify publicly.
“And that’s what surprises me,” Lacatski said. “To say it more particularly… You know when you get a clearance from these organizations, DIA adjudicates TSSCI here for DOD employees. [Unclear] adjudicates their clearances. Congress can say what they want and provide what protections they want. But if you work for those organizations, you’re going to be very leery of crossing them, because all of a sudden, while they may not pull your clearances, they may limit what compartments you could be in. So it’s very risky for these people to say that they’re going into open testimony. And I don’t see how they’re saying it, if they have anything legitimate to say. I mean, we do, but… I just listed out the qualifications I would need, and that would be very time consuming… And we also have to, remember both of us, as Colm mentioned, there are industrial agreements. If there’s proprietary information that’s in this, you can’t mention that at all. Regardless of what clearance or compartment you’re in, or a SCIF you’re testifying in. That’s proprietary information. So I don’t see how this is all going to work out. So may answer would be no.”
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